Can BB players help Cv's

joshmon999

eatrr]dmund]I agree that BB and CV should cooperate, and should let CV know where planes are needed for incoming bombers, sight, etc. People should not complain about CVs being useless if they don't say anything to the CV; much like voting, if you don't vote you cant complain.[/QUOTE]I call BS on what your saying.Having played this game 2.5+ years, I cannot even begin how many games I have joined and played where right from the get go, BB players have communicated what they needed: eyes. clear the skies of enemy fighters and scouts, etc.Has it helped? Hell, no.Why?Because the vast majority of CV players today are either inept, clueless, care about nothing but themselves, and are simply gimped by being bomber or DB whores and not even carrying fighters in GBs. But yeah, you want me to communicate with them?I do, but apparently it is difficult for them to read sign language on the other side of my screen. =.=Until the lvl120 Scout fix, I will continue to use my 120 T5 scout in GBs and give sign language to most CVs.PS. Unless I am playing with fleetmates or those CVs I can trust to communicate with, once the fix is made, I will still continue to scoff at most CVs...as they continue on their merry way as DB and TB whores. Besides, team play in GBs is near dead; it's play for yourself. Rinse and repeat.[/QUOTE]I think everyone should give a BIG round of applause to this fine example of a real , honest-to-goodness asset to this game. A real team player, that helps educate the newer players in a constructive style that aids us all by giving us new, competent players to battle. His tireless , and very very humble efforts have NOT gone unnoticed. I'm willing to start taking donations for some sort of memorial plaque acknowledging his contributions, and showing our gratitude for his insightful, intelligent comments. As long as we have ppl like this guy out there, friendly, humble and helpful, this game should last a long time, in a spirit of mutual progression and achievement.   \sarcasm

OttoReinhold

Well, heatrr comes along like an asshat. But sadly he is mostly right. There are so many CVs out there who do the same mistakes again and again. I can understand him getting over it and not communicating with those people.Some points: 1. dont fight enemy fighters above your own battleships. It doesnt matter if you beat them or not. While it is nice to be unseen it sucks to be seen and have no view yourself.2. feel free to DB/TB, but don't complain if people get mad about you bombing some random CL or even miss. This is just waste of time, really.3. don't cry about your fighters getting shot by higher leveled fighters. We all have that problem. If you cannot take on an opponent try do something else that helps your team.4. again, don't fight enemy fighters above your own BBs. And even more so don't complain if friendly AA kills your fighters there. They are simply doing their job, whereas your fighters are in the wrong place to start with.5. oh and watch the map every now and then. if you stay with your BB line you can take your fighters and bombers to the enemy much quicker. Don't simply slowboat into some corner far away.this is not a general rant against CVs. Most CV drivers do some or all of these things very well. Also I don't expect CVs to scout for me. If I can launch a scout I'll scout myself. But it really pisses me off when I see fighters brawling all over me and I can't launch a scout because it gets shot down and thus am blind. the smart CV drivers do this to the enemy BBs and make them rant at their "useless CVs". Hint hint: outsmart the enemy!

Emmaus

My biggest complaint when I play cv is the AA ships on my side who just spam anything in the air usually my ftrs that I am trying to either give sight or knock down scouts or defend the bbs

joshmon999

See Otto? What a useful post, not necessarily for the OP, but for the many people who might need this advice who read this thread. I feel that if you chose to be an elitist and refuse to assist in the creation and maintenance of a skilled player base, you lose all right to complain about it, as the person he apparently disagreed with had said. You dont vote, then dont complain about politics. I'm not sure how ANYONE could disagree with that statement.

ArcticHaze

If a CV BWs (hopefully CV3 tier and below) and fails to go for essential targets that matter, then it is retarded.  BWing is credible if done correctly along disorienting enemy fighters from the biggest CVs ingame.  On the CV's perspective in a short and sweet manner, if a CV fails to prepare a criteria of every game based on their pilot setup, then they are just preparing to fail in general.  I've recently made an abridged comment concerning about CV playstyles, you can view it here:http://tinyurl.com/4yumrejIn a quick regard for BBs, despite the burdening responsibilities from the CVs, the BBs should respectively do their job as well by holding the line while the CVs do their magic and not get themselves rolled because no one likes 5 min games for the losing team with the south flank generally being rolled first.  There's not too much going on playing BB compared to CV so if you managed to get sunk too early when you're given vision, then you should respectively remain quiet and not complain about CVs and I'm presuming people know who they are in that regard.  I've always found AA as a requirement for BB play against bombers, it simply just makes the CV's job much easier while their fighters are on the other side of the map and surely one less thing to complain about if you're getting bombed in any case.  Sometimes, not everything simply works out as planned even with obvious factors, the gameplay turnout always changes every passing minute and it seems many still forget this basic factor on what determines a win/lose for the team, but after all, GB2 the only game mode that everyone plays and it's quite obvious that no one can ever take it seriously for the most part in that regard.

nunki

Well, normally I would only fight against fighters/bombers over my team ships ifa) there is no aa ships near by. b) AA ships seems to fail to do their worksc) AA ships are just overwhelm with the bFighter Covering is much as important as scouting, If you have all vision but leave your team exposedagainst bombers then you would end up losing quickly. Normally I have to set of fighters one is for scoutingand pushing enemy planes back, another is for covering against incoming bombers. Anyway, Bomber Whore CV's are not useless in GBII. If they play their game correctly, it would help theirteam. Well, most of BW CV would dive their bomber planes straight to any BB and try to bomb them out.Well, that's wrong tactic in my opinion since BB's are heavily armored If I am BW CV I would take carethose pesky AA ships first

aingeal

oshmon999]See Otto? What a useful post, not necessarily for the OP, but for the many people who might need this advice who read this thread. I feel that if you chose to be an elitist and refuse to assist in the creation and maintenance of a skilled player base, you lose all right to complain about it, as the person he apparently disagreed with had said. You dont vote, then dont complain about politics. I'm not sure how ANYONE could disagree with that statement.[/QUOTE]lol.Heatrr post wasn't advice but a sadly accurate summary of what GB play is nowadays.Useful to learn how to be a better CV? No. Explaining why to the OP things are in the curent state? Yes.Often happens I see another BB willingly cutting my way to prevent me from shooting at another BB because it wants the attack.Its not just CVs that play for themselves in GB. Its pretty much beat the blue dots to sinking the red dots.As far as I go, I've been playing this game for a few years now, so I know a lot of people on Kaiser.I know who are good players, some I've been in fleets with at a point or another. We did fleet war and such, and we know each other's playstyle.So encountering those people in GB, we naturally go back to playing as a team as we are used too. If I have an AA ship, I will first and furthermost cover those players, unless of course they are using a non-capital ship, or there is a really really more skilled player in a similar ship on my team.Same can be said with CVs. I know who are the CVs that are adept at their jobs, and who are the CVs that aren't.I know when I have one of the first behind me, I'll relay on him, and him on me. If I need visual. I know he'll do his best to provide it. If a ship threatens him, I,ll gladly fall back and keep him safe at the best of my capabilities, and sometimes get sunk doing it. And I won't mind, and I'd do it again.The other CVs? They I'll stay on the line and let them die. Why should I take risk if they aint useful to the team? If when asked, they do not care? So they can do like they are used too, and fend off for themselves.Lately a good exemple of a 2nd type of player happened.That said player had a CV3 Hiryu. Our south was holding due to me being still there and fighting with a SY. Somewhat, we sunk the flag, but our team wasnt exactly on the good side of the balance for the moment.Not to the point all was lost, but still. Visual was hard to maintain south. Rather than help, I saw my CV rush past me, and get killed.I get sunk shortly after by 3 BB5 I was fighting off blind.On the next room, I see that CV again. When I ask him what happened, he shamelessly claim "lol. I rushed on purpose. Their flag was sunk, and we prolly would have lost anyway""You are aware I was still fighting south? That it hadn't fell yet?""I dont care. I wanted my win. team can kma"Still think heatrr is THAT far from the truth of thing concerning some players?

Primarch

ingeal]oshmon999]See Otto? What a useful post, not necessarily for the OP, but for the many people who might need this advice who read this thread. I feel that if you chose to be an elitist and refuse to assist in the creation and maintenance of a skilled player base, you lose all right to complain about it, as the person he apparently disagreed with had said. You dont vote, then dont complain about politics. I'm not sure how ANYONE could disagree with that statement.[/QUOTE]lol.Heatrr post wasn't advice but a sadly accurate summary of what GB play is nowadays.Useful to learn how to be a better CV? No. Explaining why to the OP things are in the curent state? Yes.Often happens I see another BB willingly cutting my way to prevent me from shooting at another BB because it wants the attack.Its not just CVs that play for themselves in GB. Its pretty much beat the blue dots to sinking the red dots.As far as I go, I've been playing this game for a few years now, so I know a lot of people on Kaiser.I know who are good players, some I've been in fleets with at a point or another. We did fleet war and such, and we know each other's playstyle.So encountering those people in GB, we naturally go back to playing as a team as we are used too. If I have an AA ship, I will first and furthermost cover those players, unless of course they are using a non-capital ship, or there is a really really more skilled player in a similar ship on my team.Same can be said with CVs. I know who are the CVs that are adept at their jobs, and who are the CVs that aren't.I know when I have one of the first behind me, I'll relay on him, and him on me. If I need visual. I know he'll do his best to provide it. If a ship threatens him, I,ll gladly fall back and keep him safe at the best of my capabilities, and sometimes get sunk doing it. And I won't mind, and I'd do it again.The other CVs? They I'll stay on the line and let them die. Why should I take risk if they aint useful to the team? If when asked, they do not care? So they can do like they are used too, and fend off for themselves.Lately a good exemple of a 2nd type of player happened.That said player had a CV3 Hiryu. Our south was holding due to me being still there and fighting with a SY. Somewhat, we sunk the flag, but our team wasnt exactly on the good side of the balance for the moment.Not to the point all was lost, but still. Visual was hard to maintain south. Rather than help, I saw my CV rush past me, and get killed.I get sunk shortly after by 3 BB5 I was fighting off blind.On the next room, I see that CV again. When I ask him what happened, he shamelessly claim "lol. I rushed on purpose. Their flag was sunk, and we prolly would have lost anyway""You are aware I was still fighting south? That it hadn't fell yet?""I dont care. I wanted my win. team can kma"Still think heatrr is THAT far from the truth of thing concerning some players?[/QUOTE]The problem as I see it as a newer CV player, is that you can't assume all CV noobs are like this.  I try to provide fighter cover, and scout, and I only have 1 Bomber pilot on my Yorktown.  When I have my fighters up scouting the entire time, the last thing I want to hear from some BB, is that he can't see.  Especially when I have had enemy ships visible forever, and have micro'd my fighters over the top of plenty of AA ships to keep them alive, and never see a single round splash down on them.  I mean really?  So, the AA shoots down my planes, and the map goes dark, then I get called a noob?I spend most battles and never send up a bomber at all, still the same result.  If the BB players would keep their mouths shut, things would improve vastly for me and a lot of others.  But if you're going to get called names no matter what you do, then why not go all bombers?  I mean, the name calling will at least be warranted at that point.Clay