BB4 RM

hiroito

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Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
[/QUOTE]Losers? I say the losers are the ones moaning because they can't blockshot every ship in the game and those who want to keep the rather bland swap-a-shell that happens in GB's.Also people don't like having ships in the game that counter there play style, so it's a no-brainer you my friend are a 'loser'. 
[/QUOTE]GIRLS! YOU ARE BOTH PRETTY OK!? So now, seriously. RM IS OP, the BB4 has pretty much H39 range, it has gun angles that give you no time to react or dodge, and also have repairers that are as good as UK's. Not to mention small hitbox: Why in hell a player that is using KM, one of the hardest if not the hardest nation to play, has to accept a ship that not only has low angle guns, but also better gun damage, better spread, same speed (Since the Speed advantage for KM is pretty much negletible) and to top it all: Awesome repairers and a hitbox that is 1/3rd the size of any BB4 out there and  can deal as much damage as they can (And maybe more).The way I see it, RM is a rushing nation by excelence. It even outclasses the French BBs with their two frontal quad turrets, and it is more dangerous than an AW L1 that is rushing for the sole reason of having low angle guns, decent speed and the same kind of repairers. I don't want to take away the low angle guns, I would instead support a damage reduction, a range reduction, an speed reduction and an slight increase on the sprite and hitbox, at least to make those ships be half the size of any other given BB4 and not 1/3rd the size.  I don't claim that I know everything about this game, I am just giving my opinion on what feels right to me about what should be done. I'm not a loser, I don't go around pulling the fictory card many players pull with their UK BBs, I am a KM BB player mainly and it feels frustrating that all that time spent to reach my H39, learning to use my range, to use the longer OH time to my advantage, to learn when is a good time for rushing and when for running, to try to slingshot (And the list goes on), was wasted time since anyone can now get on a ship that is 1/3rd the size of my BB, does more damage, has basically the same range, has lower angles that make their shells reach my ship almost instantly and also have repairers taht will allow them to reach the repair cap easier. This situation just feels wrong. Again, UK players do this only after they reach certain stage, not right off the bat...

gaby20

size : couldnt care less range : way 2 much (right now it outranges an L1)speed : max 40 (i could be wrong... did the test some time ago on testserver)spred :right now is not that great(it should be better...only if the damage gows down)damage : cant realy tell with this spread... id say 40k (*after ball*showld be bout 32k good salvo ... 39k with the curent spred....personal preference)realod : right now its not that great... could be my gnrs lvl(should be in respect 2 the damage and spread)manoeuvrability : excelent (personal preference that it would stay that way)submergence : excelent ( showld go dawn )i have the ship going for bb5 , its a easy and fun grind andhope the balance gows well,i know the 25 angel makes it hard 2 balance it (the only thing that i hope they dont change... is the hang timee for the shels...im adicted ;)   )

iroito]
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Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
[/QUOTE]Losers? I say the losers are the ones moaning because they can't blockshot every ship in the game and those who want to keep the rather bland swap-a-shell that happens in GB's.Also people don't like having ships in the game that counter there play style, so it's a no-brainer you my friend are a 'loser'. 
[/QUOTE]GIRLS! YOU ARE BOTH PRETTY OK!? So now, seriously. RM IS OP, the BB4 has pretty much H39 range, it has gun angles that give you no time to react or dodge, and also have repairers that are as good as UK's. Not to mention small hitbox: Why in hell a player that is using KM, one of the hardest if not the hardest nation to play, has to accept a ship that not only has low angle guns, but also better gun damage, better spread, same speed (Since the Speed advantage for KM is pretty much negletible) and to top it all: Awesome repairers and a hitbox that is 1/3rd the size of any BB4 out there and  can deal as much damage as they can (And maybe more).The way I see it, RM is a rushing nation by excelence. It even outclasses the French BBs with their two frontal quad turrets, and it is more dangerous than an AW L1 that is rushing for the sole reason of having low angle guns, decent speed and the same kind of repairers. I don't want to take away the low angle guns, I would instead support a damage reduction, a range reduction, an speed reduction and an slight increase on the sprite and hitbox, at least to make those ships be half the size of any other given BB4 and not 1/3rd the size.  I don't claim that I know everything about this game, I am just giving my opinion on what feels right to me about what should be done. I'm not a loser, I don't go around pulling the fictory card many players pull with their UK BBs, I am a KM BB player mainly and it feels frustrating that all that time spent to reach my H39, learning to use my range, to use the longer OH time to my advantage, to learn when is a good time for rushing and when for running, to try to slingshot (And the list goes on), was wasted time since anyone can now get on a ship that is 1/3rd the size of my BB, does more damage, has basically the same range, has lower angles that make their shells reach my ship almost instantly and also have repairers taht will allow them to reach the repair cap easier. This situation just feels wrong. Again, UK players do this only after they reach certain stage, not right off the bat...
[/QUOTE]Don't forget the Italian navy *is* a rushing nation it's ships werent designed to slug it out with other BB's. 

phillipM

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Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
[/QUOTE]you sound like a $$^%&#

MaskdBandit

Is the BB4 getting nerfed? Yes. Can you say it's not for a good reason? Hell no, it's deserved. When debating the damage, have you even for a moment considered its reload?When debating the "oh you just have to learn to aim better" mega BS cop-out, have you ever tried lobbing SY/SN BB5 shells for 5 seconds when all it has to do is change course like it always does when rushing? If you haven't played a variety of ships against RM then don't say "oh you just have to play better." "laying better" as a counter is the dumbest thing I've ever heard from a game developers standpoint. Yes, if you're only playing Navyfield because of one nation... It's like if you played rock-paper-scissors and always chose rock, because it's the only one where you can punch your opponent in the face for an easy win.  Every nation should have an incentive to play it. Instead you've got MN 2.0 crossed with low angles, unrealistic hitboxes, high rep rates and absolutly insane damage/reload ratios. I'm reminded of all the SN players (back when there were SN players...) that said the IM wasn't overpowered. BS, you know it was, and now there are no SN players. When's the last time you even saw a Maryia in game? The difference is, even after they neft the BB4, people will still enjoy a nation where everything playes like a Nelson/StrasBourg combination, and that's just fine if you can accept that most players shouldn't survive long until they're in the BB5 and it's entirely different playstyle. A playstyle, largly different I might add, because you're not the size of half a toothpick. 

hiroito

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Is the BB4 getting nerfed? Yes. Can you say it's not for a good reason? Hell no, it's deserved. When debating the damage, have you even for a moment considered its reload?When debating the "oh you just have to learn to aim better" mega BS cop-out, have you ever tried lobbing SY/SN BB5 shells for 5 seconds when all it has to do is change course like it always does when rushing? If you haven't played a variety of ships against RM then don't say "oh you just have to play better." "laying better" as a counter is the dumbest thing I've ever heard from a game developers standpoint. Yes, if you're only playing Navyfield because of one nation... It's like if you played rock-paper-scissors and always chose rock, because it's the only one where you can punch your opponent in the face for an easy win.  Every nation should have an incentive to play it. Instead you've got MN 2.0 crossed with low angles, unrealistic hitboxes, high rep rates and absolutly insane damage/reload ratios. I'm reminded of all the SN players (back when there were SN players...) that said the IM wasn't overpowered. BS, you know it was, and now there are no SN players. When's the last time you even saw a Maryia in game? The difference is, even after they neft the BB4, people will still enjoy a nation where everything playes like a Nelson/StrasBourg combination, and that's just fine if you can accept that most players shouldn't survive long until they're in the BB5 and it's entirely different playstyle. A playstyle, largly different I might add, because you're not the size of half a toothpick. 
[/QUOTE]You couldn't state this any better. Also, this is what I think of RM. 

richardphat

The discussion has gone far.If people arent experienced enough to distinguish something overpowered, fine let them be.That ship will be readjusted.

In the initial patch, they should increase its size to that of the AD. The only BB45 I had some trouble landing partial salvos with was H39/H44 due to their infamous inconsistent range.
The AP capabilities should also be adjusted but not removed - its a nice counter to those rushing AW L2s.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid SD will implement a KM-style nerf with Italy and remove nearly everything that makes them truly unique.